“This is the deal, and away we go…” David Robert Meyer has deep roots in the Lutheran confession of the Christian faith and in SE Wisconsin. He gratefully and thankfully follows in the family history of serving in the church. He also has a wonderful marriage a family story, with its own unique twists. In this episode you will hear how thankful he is for the key people in his life . . . and that he knows and trusts the One who is behind it all.
Recorded 4 April, A.D. 2024
[00:00:00] and the crux of it for me.
[00:00:03] It's okay, you know, this is just the way the path that if I stick with her, this is the path we're going to end up going down.
[00:00:09] So, okay, just embrace it instead of run from it.
[00:00:12] And as you've said of other things, you are on the same page when I give you the important stuff.
[00:00:18] So, this is the deal and away we go.
[00:00:23] Welcome to Christ In All Things, a conversation about meaning and purpose.
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[00:01:20] Hello listeners and welcome to Christ In All Things.
[00:01:32] I am Pastor Jason Shockman.
[00:01:34] And I'm Pastor Lance O'Donnell.
[00:01:36] And we have with us a special guest today, David Robert Meyer.
[00:01:42] I bet you said about all your guests there special.
[00:01:44] Mostly you in a special kind of way.
[00:01:48] Sure.
[00:01:49] So, David Meyer has been around here at St. Paul's for some time and involved in all kinds of different ways.
[00:01:59] So, you dear listener, if you've been here at St. Paul's, you've probably seen him.
[00:02:03] And now today we get to sit down and have a conversation and learn a little more about who is David Robert Meyer.
[00:02:12] That being said, so what's the story on your name?
[00:02:16] Where did it come from?
[00:02:17] We'll talk about the meaning in a second, but what's the story?
[00:02:20] All right. So as far as being named David, my parents had an agreement that kind of if I was a boy, my dad got to name me.
[00:02:30] If I was a girl, my mom would name me.
[00:02:32] So ironically enough, no matter who was going to name me, I was always going to be David.
[00:02:38] Being a child of the late 70s, that was a very popular name.
[00:02:42] And it remained so.
[00:02:43] And has been for the better part of the last three millennia.
[00:02:47] Absolutely. Since that King guy, yeah right?
[00:02:51] Right.
[00:02:52] Got a lot to live up to that King guy, but you know, in some ways and some ways no.
[00:02:57] So David was mom's pick and David was dad's pick.
[00:03:01] That's correct.
[00:03:02] In how many ways.
[00:03:03] In how many ways you skin it.
[00:03:04] Yeah, I was going to be David if I was a boy.
[00:03:06] There you go.
[00:03:07] And you are?
[00:03:08] Correct.
[00:03:09] Right.
[00:03:10] And then middle name.
[00:03:11] Robert, how did that come about?
[00:03:14] Never asked my parents how that one came about.
[00:03:17] I just think it was a name they liked.
[00:03:19] Kind of is actually a popular middle name in my family.
[00:03:21] A couple of my cousins also have the same middle name.
[00:03:24] So.
[00:03:25] Okay.
[00:03:26] And Meyer obviously is your family's surname.
[00:03:28] Right.
[00:03:29] So do you know David what your name means?
[00:03:31] My first name means beloved.
[00:03:34] Yes.
[00:03:35] Yes.
[00:03:36] A Hebrew root obviously goes back to that King David guy, a David guy and does mean beloved.
[00:03:45] You are correct.
[00:03:46] How about your middle name?
[00:03:48] That I have no idea.
[00:03:50] Okay.
[00:03:51] So it's actually a middle German word.
[00:03:54] It means bright flame.
[00:03:57] There's a couple other iterations from other languages, but I'm going to stick with
[00:04:00] that one.
[00:04:01] All right.
[00:04:02] Fair enough.
[00:04:03] Okay.
[00:04:04] So for some reasons that will probably come up later.
[00:04:06] What does Meyer mean?
[00:04:07] Meyer is a surname that has Hebrew roots and German roots.
[00:04:11] And it's Hebrew root.
[00:04:12] It means shining or enlightened.
[00:04:15] Okay.
[00:04:16] And it's German root.
[00:04:17] It means superior or higher.
[00:04:20] So all together you are a beloved bright flame that shines in your high superiority.
[00:04:26] Which is also kind of interesting because I did look at my last name and part of that was
[00:04:31] with the surname.
[00:04:32] It also used to describe somebody that was kind of like worked underneath like the land baron
[00:04:39] or the land owner and kind of managed all its affairs.
[00:04:42] So kind of actually doing what I do around here it kind of fits.
[00:04:47] It kind of does.
[00:04:48] A lot.
[00:04:49] It kind of does more than a little.
[00:04:50] It's almost frightening how much it actually fits.
[00:04:53] Working under the land baron.
[00:04:55] Kind of.
[00:04:56] And I'm assuming you're accusing me and Chackman of being the land barons.
[00:04:59] No.
[00:05:00] I'm the land baron.
[00:05:01] Jesus is the land baron.
[00:05:02] Jesus is the land baron.
[00:05:03] I work under the guys.
[00:05:04] I work under the guy.
[00:05:05] Yeah.
[00:05:06] I got you.
[00:05:07] There you go.
[00:05:08] That works.
[00:05:09] Middle management basically.
[00:05:10] Very common German name though.
[00:05:11] Absolutely.
[00:05:12] Especially around here.
[00:05:13] The others are a handful of Meyers.
[00:05:14] Yeah.
[00:05:15] Around here.
[00:05:16] Just mine spelled correctly.
[00:05:17] Yours is spelled M E Y E R.
[00:05:20] Right.
[00:05:21] Okay.
[00:05:22] So let's get into the big questions.
[00:05:24] The big questions.
[00:05:26] So David, the other thing we want to talk about is how you have been formed by Christ and all
[00:05:32] things into who you are.
[00:05:34] So what are the three to five big moments or big things or people in life that have formed
[00:05:41] you into who you are?
[00:05:42] I'm going to focus on the people who formed me.
[00:05:45] Okay.
[00:05:46] It's all kind of centers around my family primarily.
[00:05:50] My parents.
[00:05:51] So what's number one?
[00:05:53] I would actually say probably my parents and grandparents would be my number one.
[00:05:59] Why is that?
[00:06:00] Why is that because it's kind of like they're the example that I kind of followed both just
[00:06:05] by listening to them talk and by just kind of following what they did.
[00:06:10] You know, so my parents, my dad was a 20 year business owner of a lumber yard.
[00:06:19] So my dad's always been the guy that did the work, the providing kind of set the example
[00:06:24] kind of in some ways how a Christ like man should act.
[00:06:28] You take care of your family.
[00:06:29] You provide for them.
[00:06:30] You provide the protection.
[00:06:32] You do all those things and you led by example.
[00:06:35] My mom was also kind of the same way.
[00:06:37] She had to work too.
[00:06:38] My parents were both very big servants in the church and in fact they're still very
[00:06:44] involved in the church that they've been a member of for the last almost over 40 years now.
[00:06:49] Serving in various different offices.
[00:06:51] Do you mind saying where that is?
[00:06:53] Yeah, it's Covenant Lutheran in Milwaukee.
[00:06:55] So if you know we're the district offices, it's the big church right behind the building.
[00:07:00] So that's actually where I grew up and was confirmed there.
[00:07:04] So as far as that goes, I mean being involved in church, I've probably been involved in
[00:07:09] church since I've been serving it since I've probably been allowed to confirm.
[00:07:13] So I started as an usher.
[00:07:15] I actually served as a committee when I was about 15 years old to do long-term planning
[00:07:22] as we had the retirement of a pastor and we were looking to kind of figure out,
[00:07:25] okay what is the congregation looking for in its next shepherd.
[00:07:29] Yeah, moving on, you know, I'd go to school in Green Bay, meet my wife,
[00:07:34] which is a lot of fun there and you know, but we always continued to serve
[00:07:38] kind of wherever we've been.
[00:07:39] So back up, you got recruited when you were 15 to be on the strategic planning
[00:07:47] as the congregation was preparing to call a new pastor.
[00:07:51] Correct.
[00:07:52] Was it strategic planning or was that call committee?
[00:07:54] It was long-range planning.
[00:07:55] Okay.
[00:07:56] It wasn't call committee.
[00:07:57] That's strategic planning.
[00:07:58] What we ended up doing coming out of that whole thing was basically setting
[00:08:02] the criteria of what we thought the congregation was going to need in its next shepherd.
[00:08:08] And crazy enough the person that we called is still there.
[00:08:10] Huh.
[00:08:11] After almost 30 years.
[00:08:14] And that's rare these days, so a long-term pastor at like that.
[00:08:17] It is.
[00:08:18] I'd like to come back to that.
[00:08:21] Yeah.
[00:08:22] Unless you want to just because I love that you got recruited
[00:08:27] and you're freshman sophomore in high school.
[00:08:30] I think I might have been a junior.
[00:08:31] Junior in high school.
[00:08:32] Yeah.
[00:08:33] And you got recruited.
[00:08:34] I got recruited.
[00:08:35] And so you started serving during the confirmation process presumably.
[00:08:40] Yeah.
[00:08:41] At the congregation I grew up in, you had to be confirmed before you could serve as a
[00:08:45] Nusher or anything like that.
[00:08:46] Sure.
[00:08:47] So I mean you did acolyte stuff in eighth grade but then once you were
[00:08:49] confirmed you could kind of serve by those kind of roles.
[00:08:52] Okay.
[00:08:53] So yeah, I'm not sure.
[00:08:54] I mean I've had examples.
[00:08:55] My grandfather did that kind of stuff.
[00:08:56] My dad, my parents, my uncles, everybody.
[00:08:58] Well that's and I think I want to circle back to the service stuff
[00:09:01] because you said number one is your parents and grandparents.
[00:09:03] So you talked about your parents both being hardworking people.
[00:09:09] Now if I'm remembering rightly, your dad didn't just work at the
[00:09:13] lumberyard.
[00:09:14] He owned it.
[00:09:15] Your dad owned it.
[00:09:16] He owned it and when you're running a seven or eight person operation
[00:09:20] he ran it with his twin brother.
[00:09:23] You kind of own your job is really what you do.
[00:09:26] And you have all the extra responsibilities kind of a lot of
[00:09:30] times anything kind of falls on you if your people don't show up or
[00:09:34] whatever you got to do it.
[00:09:35] Did you work at the lumberyard as a kid?
[00:09:37] Oh yeah I did.
[00:09:38] My first job was cleaning toilets and everything else.
[00:09:40] That was about, that was freshman high school.
[00:09:42] Yeah.
[00:09:43] Saturday mornings.
[00:09:44] And now remind me you have siblings, correct?
[00:09:45] I have one younger brother.
[00:09:46] And did he worked there too?
[00:09:48] Yeah we all did.
[00:09:49] My couple of my cousins did a couple tours there.
[00:09:52] I kind of worked there.
[00:09:54] I kind of worked there on and off when you know usually I'd
[00:09:56] work there like during spring break or not spring break,
[00:09:59] Christmas break especially when I was in college.
[00:10:01] So I'd spend the whole month of January freezing outside.
[00:10:04] That's what I did and then spring breaks and then summer.
[00:10:07] So that was like, I basically worked for my spending cash for the year.
[00:10:10] So.
[00:10:11] So you also mentioned, sorry Pastor Shockman jumping in,
[00:10:15] but you also mentioned grandparents.
[00:10:17] But we haven't really talked about them.
[00:10:19] Sure.
[00:10:20] You're talking, so grandparents were also very influential.
[00:10:23] Both sides?
[00:10:24] More so my maternal grandparents.
[00:10:26] Okay.
[00:10:27] I spent a lot more time growing up because my both parents were working.
[00:10:32] So when I was real little I'd spend a couple days a week with my maternal grandmother.
[00:10:37] Who's, God be praised is still with us.
[00:10:40] What's her name?
[00:10:41] Bonnie.
[00:10:42] Okay, last name?
[00:10:43] Zaretsky.
[00:10:44] Okay.
[00:10:45] Yeah so.
[00:10:46] Say that one more time.
[00:10:47] Zaretsky.
[00:10:48] Zaretsky.
[00:10:49] Which is actually a German name.
[00:10:51] And so grandma Zaretsky took care of you?
[00:10:54] Grandma Bonnie.
[00:10:55] What did you call her?
[00:10:56] Grandma Bonnie.
[00:10:57] Oh yeah, everybody knows grandma.
[00:10:58] A lot of people know grandma Bonnie around here so.
[00:11:01] And were they churchgoers?
[00:11:02] Very much so.
[00:11:03] Both sets of my grandparents were churchgoers.
[00:11:05] My maternal ones they were members of Peace and Sussex and they actually did two different
[00:11:11] stints there.
[00:11:12] So back in about the mid 80s my grandpa lost his, he was in sewer construction.
[00:11:18] Okay.
[00:11:19] He lost his job in like the mid 80s and managed to get a construction gig digging
[00:11:25] a tunnel but it was down in Miami, Florida.
[00:11:28] So my grandparents actually moved to Florida and that's retired but to keep working.
[00:11:32] So they were down there for about 20 years and then when they came back they lived in
[00:11:37] P. Walkie and then they ended up rejoining Peace and my grandmother is still there to
[00:11:40] this day.
[00:11:41] Yeah one of the great confessional churches of the Missouri Synod by one of my, pastored
[00:11:48] by one of my favorite pastors in the Missouri Synod Peter Bender.
[00:11:52] So I don't, you know he's been there quite a while.
[00:11:54] Yeah in fact just kind of the way it worked out that when my grandfather died he would
[00:11:59] end up somehow or another becoming golf buddies with Ed Seuflo.
[00:12:03] Oh the former district president of the Southwest Wisconsin district.
[00:12:07] Yeah so when he passed suddenly Pastor Bender was in Sweden so who did his funeral at Seuflo?
[00:12:13] Oh yeah.
[00:12:14] So I have a special place in my heart for that man.
[00:12:17] That's Luther and Bingo at a high level.
[00:12:20] Yeah.
[00:12:21] Cool.
[00:12:22] So your maternal grandparents were very involved.
[00:12:25] What about the paternal grandparents?
[00:12:27] Same they were more, you know they were just there every Sunday.
[00:12:29] I'm not sure exactly how involved, less involved my grandparents were as far as that goes.
[00:12:35] It was more like I said more than I spent just more time with my maternal grandparents
[00:12:38] so I saw a lot more of that.
[00:12:40] But pretty much every Sunday they were all sets were in church.
[00:12:44] And at Peace.
[00:12:45] No one was at Peace.
[00:12:47] My maternal grandparents were at Peace.
[00:12:49] My paternal grandparents were Benedictian and Milwaukee.
[00:12:51] Sure okay.
[00:12:54] So that you know the being in Sunday worship where they parochial school kids as well?
[00:13:02] My dad was from middle school and then he went to Milwaukee Lutheran.
[00:13:10] So I'm actually like third generation in high school.
[00:13:14] Yeah my grandfather was my dad's grandfather was graduated at the old Lutheran high school
[00:13:19] the original.
[00:13:20] Yeah.
[00:13:21] And then my dad was my dad and myself from Milwaukee Lutheran and you know God willing
[00:13:25] my son will be the fourth so if he graduates late country.
[00:13:28] So yeah that's cool.
[00:13:32] So parents and grandparents number one said you wanted to focus on people so people
[00:13:37] group or person number two.
[00:13:39] Oh it's my wife.
[00:13:42] Of course.
[00:13:43] But it has to be.
[00:13:45] So why is that?
[00:13:46] Right.
[00:13:47] Not everybody says that.
[00:13:48] Well because I was blessed to meet somebody who actually felt the same way about their
[00:13:53] faith the church that I did was willing to be involved was willing to let me be involved
[00:14:01] even when she didn't want to kind of willing to sacrifice my wife and I'm sure every
[00:14:06] man can probably say it's about their wife hopefully they can you know probably
[00:14:10] one of the greatest examples of Christ like forgiveness that you can see because they have
[00:14:13] to put up with me or put up with us so but yeah it's been great she's been a great support
[00:14:20] to allow me to do this.
[00:14:22] So what was it about Jackie when you met her?
[00:14:25] Because if I we haven't posted her episode yet as of this recording but we also did
[00:14:30] interview Jackie Meyer.
[00:14:32] But we will.
[00:14:33] But we will so we heard a little bit of the story of how you met or where
[00:14:40] you met so but what was it about Jackie?
[00:14:43] I don't know what it was at the time I met her but it was after like our first date it
[00:14:48] was like you kind of almost knew I've got somebody that I definitely want to hold on
[00:14:54] to.
[00:14:55] Yeah after getting to know her we just had so much in common.
[00:14:57] How old were you?
[00:14:58] 20th 22 I think 22 yeah because we were married I was 25 so we dated for a little less
[00:15:06] than three years before we were married.
[00:15:08] So just talking to her it's like we both kind of had the same our family backgrounds were
[00:15:16] astonishingly similar.
[00:15:18] Her father was a business owner my dad's a business owner.
[00:15:22] We kind of joke that in certain ways we could probably trade families and not know
[00:15:26] the difference.
[00:15:28] So we just kind of knew we hit it off and then of course you know parents meet they
[00:15:31] hit it off they get along great so it's there's none of that kind of weird you
[00:15:36] know in lost up that some people might have it's been it's been really good.
[00:15:40] That's a blessing.
[00:15:42] That's an enormous gift actually have two parents that get along.
[00:15:47] It is and actually like to enjoy each other's company and stuff like that so you know it's
[00:15:55] just we have that you know we just had that kind of you know that kind of bond and
[00:16:00] you know it just helps that you got somebody that you're kind of willing that's willing
[00:16:04] to put up with you and all your foibles and just kind of goes okay you know you screw up
[00:16:10] yeah sometimes it's just more of it's not getting your face it's how do we fix it you
[00:16:14] know so.
[00:16:15] So when you when you met Jackie it's the there's the similarity but at the core of
[00:16:21] it there's the faith in Christ and the practice of that's really centered who she
[00:16:29] is that attracted you.
[00:16:31] Yes you know it was one of those where it was like we knew we had it together on the really
[00:16:37] big stuff faith how we kind of view things big big kind of things and important us for
[00:16:45] both on the same page with a lot of stuff.
[00:16:47] Yeah and that still holds remains true today.
[00:16:51] And I want to interject here something because Jackie talked about it when we interviewed
[00:16:56] her and so for listeners you could the her interview will also be posted by the time
[00:17:02] that hers will come first hers will come by the time you hear this but you know what
[00:17:08] Jackie has a particular syndrome that didn't enable her to have children and
[00:17:11] correct and you knew that so you knew that fairly early yeah I'd say within about
[00:17:18] a month of dating.
[00:17:20] And you and that was just that was part of the deal and it was part of the deal
[00:17:26] it didn't bother me kind of how we got to children wasn't really the crux of it for
[00:17:34] me.
[00:17:35] It's OK you know this is just the way the path that if I stick with her this is the
[00:17:39] path we're going to end up going down so OK just embrace it instead of run from
[00:17:44] it and as you said of other things you are on the same page when I give
[00:17:49] the important stuff so this is the deal and away we go right yeah I for what
[00:17:55] it's worth David I love that story yeah so yeah I know we want to circle back to
[00:18:05] being 15 and on the long-range planning committee for your congregations
[00:18:08] well-being and you said that number one was parents grandparents number two is
[00:18:16] your wife right number three is oh it's the child of course the child
[00:18:25] yeah number three Caleb for those who don't know and how is it that Caleb is
[00:18:33] number three or what impact does he had that makes him the third most formative
[00:18:37] thing in your life being a dad changed the way I viewed everything no doubt you
[00:18:45] know I wasn't always the you know I could I could be a little on the selfish
[00:18:50] side alone and that just kind of goes away you just know what you got to
[00:18:53] do and you just you know you just kind of embrace it all I've learned just to
[00:19:00] enjoy the ride he's a great kid we couldn't have been more blessed and it
[00:19:07] is sometimes when you when you talk about it you know biologically obviously
[00:19:11] he's not ours but man oh man he could have been he's a Meyer oh see ever by
[00:19:18] personality sure is he's my son in so many ways which is why you know some of
[00:19:26] the stuff he does just drives me insane but it's because he's doing the same
[00:19:31] same stuff I did it's like it's like it's like I have one of those it's like
[00:19:42] he learned by your example and and by your word indeed what it meant to be a
[00:19:50] man after God's own heart in fact I think in a lot of ways he's exceeded me in
[00:19:57] that you know a lot of times I kind of joke around him it's like don't be me
[00:20:01] be better than me you know it's like I really kind of try and push that on
[00:20:05] him but I mean that kid is way more giving of himself than I could ever be
[00:20:12] just the way that he treats people it doesn't matter if you're in a high
[00:20:17] school where it doesn't matter if you're a kindergarten he will give them all the
[00:20:20] same amount of time it's it's it's it's a joy watching him I kind of have to
[00:20:27] watch him a little bit to make sure that he doesn't get to the point where
[00:20:32] he feels obligated to do it right because if you're willing to do it
[00:20:37] it's great but I don't want to make sure that he knows that he's not
[00:20:39] something he has to do right it's okay to say no it's okay to say no this is
[00:20:45] part this is reminding me a little bit of our conversation with Gary Flanagan and
[00:20:50] so for listeners it's worth worth going back and listening to that if you
[00:20:54] haven't listened to their interview with Gary Flanagan from I think it was
[00:20:57] season one yep is probably worth doing this is you know because what Gary
[00:21:02] described you know this is who we are mm-hmm and this is what we do right
[00:21:08] we're servants of the church you know and he just he started when he was a
[00:21:14] boy yeah like you did yep no this I mean in different kinds of service but this
[00:21:18] is what this is what we do yeah and and you see that modeled in the Meyer clan
[00:21:26] when on Saturday they're here at four o'clock and getting the church ready
[00:21:30] and services at five and but Caleb's here helping and putting bulletins out
[00:21:36] and handing them out and pulling the cord to ring the bell and then holds on to it
[00:21:41] and it yanks him off the floor four feet at least he's gotten to the point where
[00:21:45] he keeps the laughter inside now and not just starts Bell old man laughing like
[00:21:50] he tends to do well he's doing the bell do that right oh yeah I don't remember
[00:21:54] I don't remember seeing that I always sneak him up there it's on Saturday
[00:21:57] nights it's like it's his yeah and you go so he goes up to ring the bell and
[00:22:00] he starts yanking on that rope and then he grabs a hold of it and it
[00:22:05] pulls him up off the floor and he starts just start not giggling
[00:22:08] I'll pull out a bully laughing old man belly laugh oh that's awesome it is
[00:22:12] wonderful do we have video of this no but we should we should yeah because that
[00:22:16] you may not do that forever David I never know it would be pretty awesome
[00:22:23] for him to be 60 years old and giggling while we're in the bell your
[00:22:26] mission should you're told and still go 40 plus and almost 50 your mission
[00:22:31] should you choose to accept it is to record him as to get video of Caleb
[00:22:34] laughing his belly laugh while he's holding on with a rope because it's pull
[00:22:39] them off so some somehow you need to set up a camera and not do it yeah do it
[00:22:45] kind of a cognito yeah yeah now like hey son pull the rope and record you yeah
[00:22:51] no don't do that because he'll play up to it exactly we just want to see it
[00:22:55] on natural yeah he's one of those he likes to help out anyway he can he
[00:22:58] likes to hold the door open for people he just he he has a servant heart yeah and
[00:23:03] that and I don't think people some people develop that some people just
[00:23:08] have it he just has it okay one two and three parents grandparents my wife
[00:23:15] yeah and Caleb yeah I want to number four we've got a we've got a few minutes
[00:23:21] here we got in let's just lay out the top five you want to circle back we
[00:23:25] got a whole nother episode to dig into okay that's fair we can do it okay so number
[00:23:30] three is Caleb is there a number four that would be probably my service here
[00:23:36] being here in fact probably that money should be a better way to put it I've
[00:23:43] you know I mean I was the kid that went pretty much K-5 through high school
[00:23:48] Lutheran education all the way through yeah but I never really understood what
[00:23:54] it meant to be Lutheran till I got here you know I guess maybe maybe just you know
[00:24:00] for the film yeah I was using church every Sunday helping out but probably not
[00:24:03] getting as much in the word in the study as I did until I started coming here
[00:24:09] you know I started going to you know when I got here I started you know going
[00:24:13] to Sunday morning adult classes then I started going to journeymen journeymen
[00:24:19] by the way for our listeners is our men's our men's group and we twice
[00:24:24] a month Bible study in other acts of service that take place in the congregation
[00:24:28] yeah we do a lot so we can talk about that a little bit later but yeah journeymen
[00:24:32] has been a big big part of my life because you know over the course of the
[00:24:37] years I kind of ended up having to lead the Bible study and it kind of was meant
[00:24:41] to be a temporary thing and it just never stopped is that number five yeah I
[00:24:46] guess we could put a number five sure well what was your number five didn't
[00:24:50] have one so that works you had four I had four in service at St. Paul's and journeymen
[00:24:56] being part of that okay when you say we're gonna circle back to this but when
[00:25:01] you say what it meant to be Lutheran I'm gonna want you to expound on that a
[00:25:08] little bit not right now but I'm just telling you I'm coming back for it
[00:25:12] so here's here's some things that we're coming back for we're coming back
[00:25:16] for the 15 year old on a long-range planning committee we're coming back for
[00:25:20] the shared faith and practice with your wife we're coming back for the experience
[00:25:28] of how you're learning from Caleb we're coming back for what it meant to be
[00:25:34] Lutheran and we're coming back for how do you recruit the next leader of
[00:25:39] journeymen oh okay that is a good question right let's talk about that we'll
[00:25:48] talk about those things folks in the next episode we thank you for listening to
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